In this episode, Matt speaks with Chris De Banks, the founder of Not Saints, the UK’s only not-for-profit record label dedicated to supporting musicians in recovery from drug and alcohol addiction.

Chris shares his personal journey through addiction, from growing up in the music-fuelled 90s drug culture to battling alcohol dependency and substance use in the music industry. He discusses the myths surrounding creativity and addiction, the glamorisation of substance use in media and pop culture, and how these influences shape young people’s choices.

The conversation also explores the realities of addiction, the turning point that led Chris into recovery, and his mission to create a sober music community through Not Saints. Chris details the work of the label, including providing creative opportunities for musicians in recovery, delivering workshops, and organising sober music events across the UK.

With insights into stigma, recovery advocacy, and the intersection of music and healing, this episode offers an in-depth look at how creative expression can support long-term recovery and change the narrative around addiction.

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We'd like to extend our heartfelt thanks to Christopher Tait of the band Belle Ghoul & Electric Six for allowing us to use the track Jonathan Tortoise. Thank you, Chris, for being a part of this journey with us.