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Old 03-22-2025, 02:12 PM   #16
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The judicial branch is separate and equal. Certainly it is within their power to override decisions by the executive branch if they are unconstitutional and unlawful.


What is worrisome is the executive branch not following their rulings, bullying the judicial branch, and threatening impeachment of judges if they don't agree.
But is a single Federal judge the equivalent (or more) of POTUS in power? Even SCOTUS is made up of 9 justices to rule on cases. It's like a high-level bureaucrat telling a cabinet Secretary they can't do something. I don't agree with impeaching these judges. By current law, these judges can do these things. I agree with Congress re-defining their powers to check and balance.
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Old 03-22-2025, 05:16 PM   #17
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The judicial branch is separate and equal. Certainly it is within their power to override decisions by the executive branch if they are unconstitutional and unlawful.


What is worrisome is the executive branch not following their rulings, bullying the judicial branch, and threatening impeachment of judges if they don't agree.
The constitution delineates the power of each branch and overriding the executive action is not part of it. They can call out either co equal branch but they can't override them. Lincoln was not challenged until his death for cancelling habeous and deporting Americans to Canada.

A man has to know his limitations.
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Old 03-22-2025, 05:48 PM   #18
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You can use whatever verbiage suits you. The courts and the judicial branch have powers of their own. They can determine if an action by the executive branch is unconstitutional or unlawful.


Trump is trying to take away that power.
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There are numerous laws for the expulsion of foreigners.
Key to some of the current issues are the concept of expedited removal. The 1996 laws about this topic allow low level immigration staff to toss folks for selected reasons without "due process".
What is confusing everyone, including the press, is that folks actually think that a judge has to actually rule on every single case. Nope.
Entry without papers is probably the most prevalent, followed by visa expiration or violation.
A classic version of visa violation is having a student visa, but not being in school x credit hrs a semester, or getting a job.

Getting back to Trump being a dictator, well yes, do we not elect one every 4 years? of course there's limits, but the pres is the pres.
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Old 03-22-2025, 07:22 PM   #20
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You can use whatever verbiage suits you. The courts and the judicial branch have powers of their own. They can determine if an action by the executive branch is unconstitutional or unlawful.


Trump is trying to take away that power.
And then what? As the great slave owning democrat Andrew Jackson said when the SCOTUS ordered him to stop, "let them come enforce it".
As we saw with Biden or his handlers, he just ignored the court when they said to stop. Is there anything the Supreme Court has told Trump to stop?
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Old 03-22-2025, 07:27 PM   #21
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There have been several judgements by the judicial branch on the illegality of some of Trump's executive orders. Also several on the actions of DOGE. Trump and Musk are protesting several.



If we get to the point where Trump and Musk refuse to accept judgements by the court, that will be an interesting time.


Biden is not a topic of this thread.
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Old 03-22-2025, 08:15 PM   #22
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Funny, I haven't read anything here about judgements by the SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES that Trump has ignored.

Name them.
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Old 03-22-2025, 09:24 PM   #23
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If necessary and valid, they may get to the US Supreme Court. Few if any cases start at the Supreme Court.
The discussion here is about Trump trying to influence the judicial branch with his bullying, intimidation, and acting like a dictator. We will have to see how this turns out.


For your education, here is how the judicial branch of the government is organized.

The judicial branch, established by Article III of the U.S. Constitution, interprets laws, resolves legal disputes, and ensures laws are consistent with the Constitution, with the Supreme Court of the United States being the highest court.

Here's a more detailed explanation:


Key Functions and Powers:


Interprets Laws:
The judicial branch's primary role is to interpret federal laws and the Constitution, ensuring they are applied fairly and consistently.

Resolves Disputes:
It resolves legal disputes between individuals, states, or between the government and individuals, providing a forum for justice.

Judicial Review:
The judicial branch has the power of judicial review, meaning it can declare laws or actions of the legislative or executive branches unconstitutional.

Protects Rights:
The judicial branch plays a crucial role in protecting individual rights and liberties, as enshrined in the Constitution and laws.

Structure of the Federal Judicial Branch:

U.S. Supreme Court:
The highest court in the country, with nine justices who hear cases of national importance and set legal precedents.

U.S. Courts of Appeals:
These courts review decisions made by lower federal courts, ensuring consistency in legal interpretations.
U.S. District Courts:
These are the trial courts of the federal system, where cases are initially heard and evidence is presented.
Specialized Courts:
There are also specialized courts, such as the Court of International Trade, which handle specific types of cases.


Checks and Balances:

The judicial branch is designed to be independent from the legislative and executive branches, ensuring that it can act impartially.

The President nominates federal judges, but the Senate must confirm those nominations.
Judges, including Supreme Court justices, serve for life, providing them with independence from political pressures.

Congress can impeach and remove judges for misconduct, providing a check on the judicial branch's power.
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Only the Supreme Court is mentioned by the constitution. So, what executive orders have been struck down by the recognized power invested in the Supreme Court?

Then again, its always the democrats who want to change the court.
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The judicial system has many courts. How do you get focused on the Supreme Court ? Very few cases reach the Supreme court.

If you have been following recent news, several courts have judged what Trump and DOGE are doing is illegal.

Now Trump is bullying these courts.

Again your last statement has nothing to do with the thread.

You are making very little sense and not addressing the topic.

We will see how far Trump and Musk try to take this, usurp the powers of the other 2 branches, and become an American dictator.

There is no reason to discuss it further with you, as you have added nothing to the topic.
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Judges pretending to be in charge of the executive branch isn’t democracy, it’s the antithesis of it. Trump should 100% tell them to fuck off.
They ain't in charge of such. donny should stay in his lane.

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The judicial branch is a separate branch but equal branch of government.


God help us if Trump continues using his bullying tactics to try and influence their decisions and rulings.


But is seems anything Trump does is okay with the MAGAs.
As is shown in this forum.

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You'll find out when he outright Bidens, lies or doesn't keep a promise.
Why hasn't he produced those tens of millions of reams of paperwork that show what maggies say about him is fact. Surly being in the public eye for many decades there would be a cornucopia of such. The silence is deafening.

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... Too Right, mate!

The Executive and Judicial are separate but CO-EQUAL branches.
Which simply means - "stay in yer lane"... The Judges there
have NO CONTROL over the Executive branch.

So, President Trump tellin' them to piss off is NOT
"being a dictatour" - but the Correct Decision.

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Damn! beat me to the lane saying!

And donny should be pissed off on not staying in his lane. Hell, if it was me doing as he, i'd already have my license yanked..

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Why don't you tell us how many and which ones are illegal.

Congressional approval is needed to codify but has nothing to do with EOs. The President can issue an EO on anything and only the SCOTUS can interfere.
Who cares? EO are the toilet paper of DC.

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The constitution delineates the power of each branch and overriding the executive action is not part of it. They can call out either co equal branch but they can't override them. Lincoln was not challenged until his death for cancelling habeous and deporting Americans to Canada.

A man has to know his limitations.
And all of donnys underlings are kowtowed into not telling the Melange One his.

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There are numerous laws for the expulsion of foreigners.
Key to some of the current issues are the concept of expedited removal. The 1996 laws about this topic allow low level immigration staff to toss folks for selected reasons without "due process".
What is confusing everyone, including the press, is that folks actually think that a judge has to actually rule on every single case. Nope.
Entry without papers is probably the most prevalent, followed by visa expiration or violation.
A classic version of visa violation is having a student visa, but not being in school x credit hrs a semester, or getting a job.

Getting back to Trump being a dictator, well yes, do we not elect one every 4 years? of course there's limits, but the pres is the pres.
Nice post. Again.

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Funny, I haven't read anything here about judgements by the SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES that Trump has ignored.

Name them.
Do tell, what is it you do read?
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The judicial system has many courts. How do you get focused on the Supreme Court ? Very few cases reach the Supreme court.

If you have been following recent news, several courts have judged what Trump and DOGE are doing is illegal.

Now Trump is bullying these courts.

Again your last statement has nothing to do with the thread.

You are making very little sense and not addressing the topic.

We will see how far Trump and Musk try to take this, usurp the powers of the other 2 branches, and become an American dictator.

There is no reason to discuss it further with you, as you have added nothing to the topic.

Because the only court mentioned in the Constitution is the Supreme Court and just one of three co equal branches of our government. The lower courts are not equal to or superior to the president like a legislative assistant can override a senator.

Once again, what Supreme Court decisions are being ignored by Trump?
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