Welcome to Policing in America – a podcast about race and policing: the good, the bad and the ugly. The goal? To have, at times, uncomfortable conversations to spark positive change. Your host is currently the Officer in Charge of a unit that creates, delivers and maintains police training in the largest urban police department on the west coast of America: Sergeant Tom Datro.
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Service, Honor, and Sacrifice - A conversation with a War Nurse.
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Ret. Captain Christine Collins is a decorated veteran and trauma nurse during a pivotal deployment to Afghanistan in 2009. Stationed at Bagram Air Base, she found herself at the epicenter of the conflict, tirelessly working to save the lives of American troops, Afghan civilians caught in the crossfire, and even enemy fighters. Through her raw and p…
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What's the truth about crime rates? A conversation with economist John Lott
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I have been wrestling with the recent news reports about the historic plummeting of crime rates for some time. I am left thinking, "Don't believe your lying eyes." Depending on which news outlets you watch you might have a very different perspective on crime. The left tells you the drop in crime is historic - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol…
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Self-Defense - When there are no POLICE - It's up to you; BE READY
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Donovan Brit is a US Army Veteran, a 3rd Degree Black Belt in Krav Maga, and the creator of the Las Vagas Combat Academy. https://lasvegascombatacademy.com/ Donovan shares his unique insights on police use of force, self-defense, and how to prepare for the worst-case scenario.By Thomas Datro
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Scott Savage is the founder of The Savage Training Group. A police training and education company committed to providing the highest quality police training and education. Scott recently retired from policing as a Lieutenant. During his time in law enforcement Scott worked a variety of units including SWAT. His unique experiences and perspectives c…
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Operation Fast and Furious WHISTLEBLOWER Peter Focelli
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Peter J. Forcelli is a retired Deputy Assistant Director from the U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. He served for 15 years with the N.Y.P.D., before retiring from the Bronx Homicide Task Force. Mr. Forcelli is a survivor of the 9/11 Terrorist Attacks on the World Trade Center, and the lung cancer that …
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Press Patrol - Navigating the News and Policing with Steve Gregory of KFI NEWS
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In this episode I have the pleasure of speaking with a nationally recognized journalist and winner of multiple Golden Mic awards Steve Gregory of KFI news. Steve shares his extensive knowledge on the media, the coverage of policing, national versus local news, and how agencies can create partnerships with the media to enhance policing relations and…
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The Huth Method - A conversation with Charles "Chip" Huth
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Chip Huth has spent more than four decades building his leadership credentials. From growing up in poverty, to leading an internationally recognized SWAT unit, to speaking on a TED stage, Chip shares with us his incredible story, lessons he learned the hard way, his mistakes, and his incredible accomplishments. Personally, Chip is someone I look up…
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Trauma Informed Care - From the inside out.
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In the world of policing Trauma informed care is taught to police officers so that officers can better deal with community members experiencing mental and emotional crisis. However, very little time is spent on officers interacting with each other through the lens of trauma informed care. September is Law Enforcement suicide awareness month. Our gu…
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Reimagining Safety - Two Different Perspectives; one common goal.
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During this podcast I have a robust conversation with award-winning writer/director Mathew Solomon. Despite our different points of view, perspectives, and opinions we find a great deal of common ground and hopefully set the example for how dialogue and debate should occur.
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Consent Decree's - Valuable intervention or a waste of time and money?
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Bob Scales shares his insights and experiences with Seattle PD and their Consent Decree. Fair-minded, reasonable, and academically rigorous Bob is a pleasure to listen to and has a lot to say.By Thomas Datro
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Is POLICE CULTURE the problem? Dr. Frank Tortorello (Cultural Anthrpologist) shares his insights
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In this episode, I continue my post-Memphis series with Dr. Frank Tortorello. Dr. Tortorello is a trained and educated cultural anthropologist, author, researcher, and strategist. Dr. Tortorello has a number of articles and his book can be found here https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed?asin=B08N6R8F44&preview=newtab&linkCode=kpe&ref_=cm_sw_r_kb_dp_P81…
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Is there MEDIA BIAS when it comes to Policing- A conversation with Leslie Marshall
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Democratic Strategist, nationally syndicated radio host, and FOX News contributor Leslie Marshall and I discuss what many in policing see as a no-brainer. Media Bias when it comes to covering the police. Leslie is known for her honesty and fair perspective. Hear what she has to say about this topic and the racism in America today.…
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Better Policing starts with understanding Neuroscience Education
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Stafanie Faye is a neuroscience specialist who has worked with Google, Stanford, UC San Diego Medical school, the Department of Defense, the Canada School of Public Service, and many more. To learn more about this incredible woman please visit her website here https://stefaniefaye.com/ In this episode, Stefanie and I discuss a wide range of policin…
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Elizabeth Franklen-Best, a 20-year attorney, has been reversing criminal convictions for 15-plus years. We discuss a component on the Criminal Justice system that does not get as much attention as policing; criminal sentencing. Elizabeth is a pragmatic, intelligent, attorney who values public safety. She also fights for those who many have written …
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Policing's False Narrative - and the deadly consequences
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Peter Kirsanow is a distinguished US Commission on Civil Rights member and a practicing attorney. Mr. Kirsanow believes data should drive public policy, not emotions, not feelings, and certainly not the media.
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Sgt Tom speaks with Jessica Nordell about the social and cognitive phenomena of bias. Can police departments foster trust and legitimacy with those they are sworn to protect and serve through a better understanding of bias? Are the right incentives in place to encourage fair and just policing? To learn more about Jessica and her amazing work please…
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Can We Improve Police Training by Modeling the Marines
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Policing across the US seems to embrace a "para-military" framework. However, policing seems to simply assume the hierarchy and rank structures but appears to be failing in the training and education of their officers. Dr Frank Tortorello suggests that training is being "over-neurologized". Could Dr. Tortorello be on the verge of initiating a quant…
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Broken Windows Policing - Is it time to go back?
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Professor Peter Moskos, a Princeton and Harvard-trained sociologist, author, and one-time Baltimore cop teaches us about Broken Windows policing; why it's good, why it went awry and is it time to re-visit this crime reduction strategy?By Sgt Thomas Datro, MPA, EdD
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Chronic Sleep Deprivation and Law Enforcement; A Public Safety Crisis
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In this episode, I speak with Professor Lois James from the Washington State University School of Nursing. Professor James has focused a large part of her scholarship on the intersection of sleep deprivation, bias, and policing. She is a brilliant researcher, fair in her methodology, and rigorous in her conclusions. Sleep-Deprivation is a national …
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Professor Dorothy Schulz talks about the Wandering Cop . .
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In today's episode, I have a conversation with Professor emeritus Dorothy Schulz. Prof Schulz has a forthcoming research article on the Wandering Cop. Those cops who get into trouble at one agency, but flee to another agency before they can be held accountable for their actions. Please keep an eye out for Dr.Schulz's work which is featured in City …
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Professor Barry Latzer has spent decades studying and researching crime in the United States. This endeavor led Professor Latzer to an interesting conclusion; is it possible that the charge of over-incarceration and "mass incarceration" are terms of opprobrium but not at all supported by the data we currently have.…
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Robert VerBruggen is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute where he also writes from City Journal. Robert has a list of professional and academic accomplishments including the Chicago Headline Club Peter Lisagor Award. Robert writes on a variety of contemporary issues including public policy, policing, education, public finance, health care and cance…
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In this bonus episode, I have the pleasure of speaking with Professor Peter Moskos from John Jay College. Professor Moskos is an author, a historian, a former police officer with the Baltimore Police Department, and an all-around reasonable gentleman.
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Bonus Episode - Constitutional Policing
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Arif Alikhan is a National expert on policing, public policy, homeland security, counter-terrorism, and the law. In this episode, Arif explains the importance of the Constitution and how this body of work needs to be at the forefront of policing in America.By Thomas Datro
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Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his guest Charles Fan Lehman, a fellow at the Manhattan Institute as they discuss data in policing. The Manhattan Institute is a conservative non-profit American think tank focused on domestic policy and urban affairs, established in Manhattan in 1977. Lehman is currently working on their Policing and Public Safety Initiativ…
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Accountability in Policing: an example in Ex-Sheriff Joe Arpaio?
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Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his guest Lydia Guzman the Chairwomen of the Phoenix PD and the Dept of Public Safety's Hispanic Advisory Boards as they talk about accountability in policing. In 2017, Lydia’s actions as well as those from other activists helped convict Sheriff Joe Arpaio. In this episode you will learn: When Sheriff Joe crossed the line. R…
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Equal Standard Movie Producer: “everyone has different agendas” in policing
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Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his guest Taheim Bryan, the writer and producer of the movie Equal Standard as they talk about systemic racism and the American police force. They compare policing styles in different parts of the country, and share statistics as they discuss the murder of George Floyd. They also have an uncomfortable conversation about what…
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How do you lead when you're in crises?
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Join Sgt. Tom Datro and Colonel James Minnich, an academic, author, and retired U.S. Army Colonel as they talk about leadership in policing. Minnich has in-depth experiences in NE Asia since 1982, including 15 years of duty in Korea. He is a professor at the Daniel K. Inouye Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies in Hawaii where he previously ser…
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LAPD Officer Deon Joseph's Open Letter to Lebron James
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Join Sgt. Tom Datro and Deon Joseph discuss his open letter to Lebron James and why he is hoping to work with him to save lives. The talk about comments by Kamala Harris, racism in the policing, and the importance of being more proactive in regards to mentally illness. Open Letter to Lebron James in response to his tweet. What it's like answering q…
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Sgt. Tom "Let's not move backwards" | Production has been paused
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“It is disappointing that I have to make the following statement, however, with the Derek Chauvin Trial coming to a close combined with the recent controversial Officer Involved Shootings in Minneapolis and Chicago. Many Law Enforcement agencies are hoping for the best, but must prepare for the worst. I am still an active member in law enforcement …
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Harvard Dr: "Threat responses affect optimal decision making"
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Dr. Yilmaz is a Harvard-trained doctor of neuroscience and is working with the best and brightest at Stanford. Her work is creating a better understanding of the limits of human potential under stress. While it seems like every bad outcome in policing is said to be the result of systemic bias, racism, or institutionalized marginalization there are …
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Black Officer: "I'm cancelled on both sides."
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Join Sgt. Tom Datro as he interviews Sgt. Cleon Joseph about what it is like to be a black officer who loves his community. They have uncomfortable conversations about growing up in a "well-off" family before losing it all in a recession, becoming an activist and the internal struggle he went through when applying to become a police officer. They t…
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The Neuroscience AT PLAY in Derek Chauvin's mind during George Floyd's Death
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Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his guest Kristy Hodson PhD., as they discuss the neuroscience, specifically the possible schema at play in the officer Derek Chauvin's mind as they engaged with George Floyd. They talk about how our body reacts when our belief system is challenged (whether we realized it or not). And, Kristy shares a personal story about ho…
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The “MISTAKE” police make: hate crimes against Asian Americans
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Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his guest Arif Alikhan as they discuss the recent shootings in Atlanta that took the lives of six Asian American women and two others. They talk about the importance of police officers who are good at decision making and lastly, they ask themselves if racism is systemic, institutional and/or if the country has made progress?…
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Defund The Police? Reframing The Conversation
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Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his guest Lt. Justin Paquette, from the State of New Hampshire's Police Standards and Training Council as they discuss the call to “Defund The Police,” the idea that competence breeds competence and whether or not Active Bystandardership could have saved not only George Floyd, but Derek Chauvin as well. In this episode you w…
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Combating Racial Profiling with smartphone App: Legal Equalizer
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Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his guest Mbye Njie, an activist, who, after seeing the fallout from the Michael Brown case in 2015 and his own unpleasant encounters with police, set out to make a systematic change and help other BIPOC by founding Legal Equalizer. The mobile app allows users to capture police encounters after being pulled over, automatical…
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Attorney: “Why Bias Training Doesn’t Work”
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Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his Guest Jonathan Aronie Chair, Georgetown Law/Sheppard Mullin ABLE Project Board of Advisors and Government Talks Attorney as the discuss “data-backed” police trainings like: ABLE: Active Bystandardship for Law Enforcement and how it works. They also talk about how sleep may be a key factor in good and bad policing in Amer…
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Transitioning from a Warrior Mindset to a Guardian Mindset in Policing
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Join Sergeant Tom Datro and his guest SWAT Officer Jonathan Pultz, talk about the trauma police officers experience call after call and how it can influence their actions. In this episode, Pultz talks about transitioning from a Warrior Mindset to a Guardian Mindset in policing. He discusses his personal struggles with this concept and how maturity,…
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Redefining Loyalty with Active Bystandership in Policing
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Join Sgt. Tom Datro and his guest Lisa Kurtz, the ABLE Project Director with the Innovative Policing Program at Georgetown University Law Center talk about restoring the integrity of police by creating a law enforcement culture that supports peer intervention. The two discuss Consent Decree, police misconduct and reframing what the idea of loyalty …
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Implicit Bias and Policing with Dr. Bryant Marks
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Join Sergeant Tom Datro and his guest Dr. Bryant T. Marks, Ph.D., talk about biases, stereotyping, prejudice, discrimination, the police force, the media, and so much more. In this episode, Dr. Bryant explains how implicit bias takes us in the wrong direction once in a while and how racial bias can still exist on individual levels, even in those wh…
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In the midst of the Coronavirus Pandemic violent protests against police brutality & racial inequality broke out across the United States in May of 2020. Police Departments have been called out for “bias, racism and unnecessary use of deadly force.” The spark that ignited this fire, the death of 46-year-old George Floyd: a black man, who died after…
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