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Get inspiration and new ideas to grow your business podcast. A few times each month, hear from business podcast hosts in professional service industries. Learn why they started podcasting, how they position their shows, how it connects to their business, and more. Hosted by John Tyreman, founder of Red Cedar Marketing.
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Breaking BizDev

John Tyreman & Mark Wainwright

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Most professional services firms are built on a foundation of technical expertise and relationships. But what happens when referrals stop coming in? You need to do 'business development' — a nebulous term that often conflates sales, marketing, operations, HR, and the kitchen sink. On the Breaking BizDev podcast, John Tyreman and Mark Wainwright break down, beat up, and redefine 'business development' for the modern professional services firm. This co-hosted commentary-style show shares stori ...
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John Garrett’s research involves asking professionals, "Who else are you beyond your job title?" Accountants, consultants, lawyers, engineers, and other professionals everywhere are doing hobbies and passions after they leave the office. We discuss why these outside-of-work interests matter and how they've impacted their career.
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The podcast for technical people who find themselves responsible for sales and marketing, because they started a company or got promoted. We interview experts and other technical folks who have figured out how to hack the sales and marketing world the way they used to hack code. Don't believe the myth that only "natural" sales people can sell.
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Emotion drives purchase decisions more in B2B than B2C. Let that sink in. Yes, even when selecting professional service providers, emotion plays a major factor in decision-making. The relationships we forge and the stories we tell influence opportunities, contracts, and the clients we work with. In this episode, John and Mark delve into proven stor…
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The GovCon market is made up of niches. Podcasting is like on-demand niche radio. Mark Amtower, the host of "Amtower Off Center," part of the Federal News Network, is a leading expert in GovCon marketing and LinkedIn advising. Known for his deep understanding of the government market and strategic insights, Mark has been helping businesses navigate…
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In this episode of "What's Your 'And'?," John Garrett welcomes Rick Goodmay, the Director of Client Relations at ICM Colorado. Rick shares how his passion for smoking meat and cheese serves as his creative outlet and how it fosters community both in his personal life and at work. Inspired by a coworker, he got into the art of smoking to enjoy and s…
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When you've got a tiny business, getting people to know about you is often your biggest problem. Getting other people to talk about your business can be a huge help, but how do you get them to do that? In this episode, PR expert and author Jill Lublin discusses how she got into publicity, and how you can use it to your advantage. Have something int…
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What do you get when two opinionated and well-respected business consultants record and publish conversations? One of the top podcasts in professional services. Since 2017, David C. Baker and Blair Enns have published value-rich conversations on the art of creative entrepreneurship through their podcast, 2Bobs. In their professional lives, David an…
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Unlock the full potential of your firm's ability to *create* new business by mastering both inbound and outbound revenue generation activities. In this episode, John and Mark explore the synergy between inbound and outbound business development activities and how they can work together to produce exceptional outcomes. They discuss the importance of…
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Carla Youngblood, a CPA by day and comedian by night, shares insights from her journey into comedy that began at a talent show. She reflects on her experience performing at a bar, where she learned the importance of engaged audiences for successful comedy. Carla discusses how her natural talent for humor, honed from family gatherings, positively in…
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Coffee isn’t just for closers. Buyers can smell your commission breath. Good salespeople don’t have all the answers. In this episode, John and Mark bring on voices from other sales and marketing experts in the professional services realm. Featuring clips from Blair Enns, David C. Baker, Jason Mlicki and Jeff McKay, this episode explores the importa…
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Malony Bartush, Director of HR Communications at Pentex Energy, delves into her passion for running and its impact on her professional life. She shares an inspiring anecdote about her running group’s extraordinary camaraderie, including a heartfelt story of members running extra miles for others who can't run that day. Malony discusses how this sup…
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Podcasting is a way to refine your perspective and innovate business strategies. With two different world views, Jason Mlicki and Jeff McKay embarked on a journey to explore divergent thoughts on professional services marketing and growth via their podcast, "Rattle and Peddle." Jason, a marketing veteran with over 20 years of experience, and Jeff, …
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Believe it or not, lead generation can actually work. Even for accounting, AEC, or consulting firms. In this episode, John and Mark break down the importance of lead generation, exploring why firms need to take it seriously beyond just waiting for RFPs. They highlight various lead sources, compare inbound and outbound strategies, and discuss effect…
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Franky Lopez, a senior accountant at BMSS Advisors and CPAs, shares his passion for competitive TV shows. Franky dives into his love for "Survivor," "Big Brother," and "The Challenge," as well as game shows like "Wheel of Fortune" and "Deal or No Deal." And let's not forget the Dallas Mavericks in the NBA. Growing up, his family frequently watched …
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Get a behind-the-scenes look at Breaking BizDev. In this episode, John and Mark pull back the curtain on the production process, the technology they utilize, and how they're building listener engagement. From their first episode to their vision for the future, you'll hear what has worked, what hasn't, and their plans moving forward. 0:00 Intro 1:50…
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Leadership transition is a major brand milestone and a cultural crossroads. So what role does sales and marketing play? In this episode, John and Mark explore how sales and marketing both support succession planning and leadership transition. In this conversation, you'll learn: Why it's important to expose young team members to sales and marketing …
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Wendy Walker, VP of Regulatory Affairs at Sovos, shares her passion for quilting and running. Wendy reveals how she began quilting eight years ago to connect with her mom, utilizing pictures and video calls to collaborate from different states. She discusses the therapeutic and creative aspects of quilting, highlighting its significance as a stress…
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Podcasting can accelerate your network growth. Remotely. Inspired by a lack of local Society for Marketing Professional Services (SMPS) chapters and the desire to stay connected during COVID-19, Keelin Cox set out to create a platform that provided access to industry knowledge and offered inspiration for AEC professionals. Today, the her AEC Market…
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The role you play in developing new business changes as you grow throughout your career. Whether you're a junior practitioner, mid-career professional, or seasoned industry veteran, this episode is for you. John and Mark explore how firm employees—regardless of tenure—can (and should) contribute to developing new business. In this conversation, we …
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Wow-- episode 100! Podcasting expert John Tyreman provides tips on using your podcast to get clients, including: Figuring out the right format for your podcast. How to get guests without stress. How to promote your podcast. What equipment you do (and don't) need And so much more. And if you're a solo professional, looking to convert podcast energy …
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John Tyreman shares how something simple like having his drum set in the background during a work video call with a client sparked a deeper connection and conversation. He emphasizes the importance of sharing personal interests to build meaningful relationships at work. John recalls inheriting his mom's Pearl Export drum set and how jamming with a …
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For many consultants and solo business professionals, sales can feel uncomfortable. But even one-person businesses need sales to survive, let alone grow. Reuben Swartz is solving this problem with his monthly podcast, “Sales for Nerds” and his product, Mimiran—the fun, simple anti-CRM for solo consultants. In this episode, Reuben shares his experie…
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Mitigate risk and navigate the contracting phase effortlessly In Part 3 of this deep dive into the "Create, Choreograph, Contract" framework, John and Mark break down what happens between a verbal agreement and a signed contract. They look at the emotional and practical aspects of risk in decision-making processes, how both clients and consultants …
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Make your sales process look effortless and feel frictionless. In Part 2 of their deep dive into the "Create, Choreograph, Contract" framework, Mark and John explore the importance of deliberate and structured interactions with buyers, like how mirroring and reflecting can establish trust, and how seeking permission at each step ensures both partie…
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Yes, it is possible to get off the RFP hamster wheel. In Part 1 of their deep dive into the "Create, Choreograph, Contract" framework, John and Mark uncover the secrets behind creating the firm you want by breaking down different market segments, leveraging your network, and the power of proactive opportunity creation. In this conversation, you'll …
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Is your BD process disorganized? Disjointed? Nonexistent? Consider using this 3-part framework to get your sales back on track. In this episode, Mark introduces his three-part business development framework, "Create, Choreograph, Contract", aimed to help doer-sellers and dedicated business developers create a cyclical process for winning new busine…
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Eric Kamont, Director of Strategic Partnerships for the Industrial Metaverse at Microsoft, discusses the transformative power of integrating personal passions into professional environments. Eric shares how using personal interests as icebreakers has strengthened his connections in both work and while running youth programs. He reflects on losing 1…
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If you're an engineer, architect, advisor, or consultant, chances are at some point in your career you'll need to learn how to develop new business. On this episode, Mark explains how experts and firms can create a "sales competency matrix" that helps firms identify and then build competence in specific areas. He does this by mapping 6 sales compet…
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Sometimes the allure of working for yourself turns into just having a lot of bosses and you can end up getting burn out all over again. Lydia Lee walked down that path and learned how to put her life first, despite some interesting obstacles (there's a literal exploding toilet), and build her business around her life, instead of trying to squeeze h…
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Dave Hartley, a partner with Anders CPAs and Advisors and host of the But Who's Counting? podcast, shares his insights on the importance of authenticity and individuality in professional settings. Dave highlights how firm leaders play a crucial role in fostering genuine connections, especially in remote work environments. He recounts his love for m…
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How intentional are you with your podcast? Roger Knecht, President of Universal Accounting, has helped thousands of accountants, bookkeepers, and tax preparers start and build a successful accounting firm. Roger also hosts Building the Premier Accounting Firm, a weekly show that is nearing 300 episodes. Every decision Roger made with his podcast ha…
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Understand your buyers. Win more business. That's what an Ideal Client Profile (ICP) helps you do. In today's episode, John and Mark explore why understanding your ideal client profile is essential for aligning your sales and marketing efforts, and offer examples of how to apply your ideal client profile (ICP) in business development activities. On…
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For Aaron Moncur, a podcast is more than just a marketing tool. It's a way to build relationships, showcase expertise, and ultimately drive revenue for his custom engineering services business. With over 250 published episodes, Moncur's "Being an Engineer" podcast has become a cornerstone of his company's growth strategy. 0:00 Intro 3:14 How Aaron …
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Judge Frank Szymanski discusses the importance of finding activities that bring joy and focus, advocating for spending time in "flow mode." Frank shares his passion for meditation, mindfulness, and yoga, and his efforts to implement these practices in the juvenile and adult prison systems. He also reflects on his dual identity as a singer in a Davi…
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Writing a book for your consulting business? Use a podcast for research. When John Garrett decided to write a book, he launched a podcast to help with his research. Eventually, the What's Your And? podcast has served as a remarkable launchpad for speaking engagements and business opportunities, contributing to an estimated $200,000 in new business—…
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Why do we always cheer for the underdog? Think about your favorite underdog story. Chances are, you want to see David beat out Goliath. Well, the same thing that gets you to root for Rudy or the Bad News Bears is the same thing that's killing your firm... In this episode, John and Mark break down "the underdog effect" and how it can cause you to ch…
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Sherri Collins, the Chief Diversity and Engagement Officer at Make-A-Wish Michigan, talks with John Garrett about her passion for the performing arts. Inspired by her mother, Sherri's love for musicals, orchestras, and dance performances began at a young age when she first saw Annie. She discusses how these experiences foster human connection, tran…
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Selling the way your customers want to buy makes sales (and marketing) so much easier, but most businesses refuse to do it. In this episode, veteran market Kristin Zhivago (and author of Roadmap to Revenue: How to Sell the Way Your Customers Want to Buy) discusses how you can uncover your best customers' buying behaviors so you can align your marke…
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Podcasting seems like a crowded space, but it's really not. It’s a blue ocean opportunity. Especially for expertise-driven businesses who need to build trust with buyers, accelerate network growth, and create endless content. If you’re asking yourself, “should I start a podcast?” then you’re in the right place. This episode explores five critical q…
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Build a thriving Slack community with your podcast. Brett Trainor is using his podcast, The Corporate Escapee, to build a community of Gen X professionals who want to ditch their 9-5. In this episode of Podcasting in Professional Services, Brett sits down with John Tyreman to share his experience running his show. We cover: How Brett reaches Gen X-…
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Your revenue projections are your firm's crystal ball. If your backlog, pipeline, and projections are organized, it can position your firm in a way to do healthy, proactive marketing to win highly profitable work. In this episode, John and Mark break it all down: How marketing can make both a short- and long-term pipeline impact How marketing's goa…
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Josh Sterling, a wealth strategist at Camus Advice in California, shares his unique journey from soccer player and coach to his current career. He emphasizes the importance of teamwork, family, and goal-setting, drawn from his extensive experience coaching high school and youth soccer teams. Josh advises listeners to identify their strengths and le…
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Can I have your attention, please? Will the real Scotty Scarano please stand up? There’s not too many people who blend hip hop with accounting, but that’s exactly what Scotty “OKR” Scarano is doing through his personal brand on LinkedIn, his YouTube page, and through his podcast, Accounting High. Scotty believes that learning how to run a practice …
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Midway through your fiscal year, any business is faced with one of three revenue pacing scenarios: You’re exceeding expectations You’re exactly where you thought you’d be You’re not meeting original revenue targets On this episode, Mark breaks down different ways to set revenue goals (revenue per employee, calculating potential revenue, and using a…
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AI is all the rage these days (I get lots of pitches, some of them seemingly AI-generated, to come on Sales for Nerds and talk about AI). I decided to go to the source and have a conversation with ChatGPT from OpenAI. It was mindblowing, scary, and uncanny, all at the same time. Take a listen and decide for yourself, plus get tips on using AI for y…
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This week's guest is Sugey Piedra, an enrolled agent at Prominence Business and Wealth Management and host of the Tax Talk with Hey Hey podcast. Sugey shares her passion for smoking cigars while traveling, revealing how it has allowed her to meet fascinating people worldwide. She talks about her childhood restrictions that ignited her love for trav…
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It rarely takes 5 or 6 years to launch a podcast, but that was the case for Alastair McDermott. Since then he's launched a handful of shows and written a book titled 33 Ways Not to Screw Up Your Business Podcast. Going through the process of planning his podcast exposed a lack of specialization in Alastair's business. From there, he narrowed down h…
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CRM platforms like Salesforce and HubSpot were designed to sell SaaS products. Not professional services. And yet you find yourself face-to-face with a tech salesperson who presents a glimmer of hope: with a new CRM system, you'll grow revenue, your team will be rowing in the same direction, and you'll close deals faster. The reality? You're left w…
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Chris Fuller-Wigg, Vice President of Sales at Motiv and advocate for rescuing farmed animals, shares his passion for creating the Austin Farm Sanctuary. He reflects on rescuing two goats and a pig that sparked the sanctuary's growth from a half-acre property in 2016 to 95 acres housing over 215 animals by 2021. Chris emphasizes the importance of be…
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I took a sample of 150 podcasts across accounting, AEC, and legal industries. A whopping 70% had only one host! Personally, I've hosted four podcasts; two were solo shows, and two were co-hosted with a colleague. There are pros and cons to each format, but I found co-hosting a podcast to be much more enjoyable. Let's explore the untapped benefits o…
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Your decisions are influenced by natural psychological forces. Whether that's deciding on which coffee size to select, or which firm to work with... cognitive bias is at play. On this episode of Breaking BizDev, John and Mark share 7 cognitive biases that shape new business development, and share how you can use them to help buyers make better, mor…
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