Welcome to Leaders, a podcast featuring long-form conversations with senior investors, CEOs, and entrepreneurs on topics that matter most to the investment community. In each episode, Joe Cass, Senior Director at S&P Global Ratings, explores market trends, investment outlooks, and personal stories from industry trailblazers. Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, Amazon Music, and Deezer. This podcast series was formerly known as Fixed Income in 15.
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“Extra Credit,” S&P Global Ratings’ U.S. public finance podcast, delivers a mobile overview of trends, rating actions, and credit commentary on the week's most pressing municipal market issues.
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Hosted by Arthur Wong, Ji Liu, and other editors and analysts, the S&P Pharma Dose podcast from S&P Global Ratings discusses all things pharma from a credit perspective.
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Macquarie’s Ben Way on Infrastructure, Datacenters & Being Present
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39:38In this episode, Joe is joined by Ben Way, Group Head of Macquarie Asset Management and Andrea Quirk, Global Head of Credit Ratings at S&P Global Ratings. Discussion covered the explosion in growth of datacenters, how AI is driving demand for digital infrastructure and Ben’s view of being present in the moment throughout your career.…
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Invesco CEO Andrew Schlossberg on Asset Management, AI & Football Culture
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30:48In this episode, Joe is joined by Andrew Schlossberg, President & CEO at Invesco, and Dan Draper, CEO at S&P Dow Jones Indices. Topics included Andrew’s journey from Invesco’s corporate training program to CEO, Dan’s perspective on the evolution of index-based investing, Andrew’s insights on AI integration in asset management, and Dan’s view on the…
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Ep55: CalPERs CEO Marcie Frost on Private Markets & Building Her Career
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43:43In this episode, Joe is joined by Marcie Frost, CEO of CalPERS and Martina Cheung, CEO & President of S&P Global. Topics included Marcie’s current view of the role of private assets in CalPERS portfolio, Martina’s initiative and growth areas for 2025, Marcie’s progression from typist to CEO and Martina’s memories of breaking the gavel at the New Yo…
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Ep54: Apollo’s John Zito on Private Credit, His Career Path & Leadership
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27:43In this episode, Joe is joined by John Zito, Co-President of Apollo Asset Management and Alex Birry, Global Head of Credit Research at S&P Global Ratings. Topics included views on private credit and the evolution of private markets, John’s career trajectory to Apollo, Alex on global mega trends and John’s advice for managing high performing teams.…
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Ep53: Ares' Michael Arougheti on Private Markets, Founding Ares & the Baltimore Orioles
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36:18In this episode, Joe is joined by Michael Arougheti, CEO & Co-Founder of Ares and Lynn Maxwell, Global Chief Commercial Officer at S&P Global Ratings. Topics included Mike’s memories of co-founding Ares, the rise in popularity of private markets and how Mike was offered co-ownership of the Baltimore Orioles.…
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Ep52: Blackstone’s Jon Gray on Private Markets, Career Advice & Jogging on LinkedIn
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32:19In this episode of FI15, Joe is joined by Jon Gray, President & Chief Operating Officer at Blackstone and Doug Peterson, CEO & President of S&P Global. Discussion covered Doug’s upcoming retirement, Jon on the future of private markets and infrastructure, Doug on GenAI and Jon on his viral jogging videos on Linkedin. This episode was recorded and p…
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Ep51: Richard Attias On FII8 & Networking With Super VIPs
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34:36In this episode of FI15, Joe is joined by Richard Attias, CEO & Founder of Richard Attias & Associates and CEO of the FII Institute. Topics included the upcoming FII Institute event in Riyadh, Richard’s relationship with H.E Yasir Al-Rumayyan, how to successfully build senior relationships and Richard’s networking tips to progress your career.…
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Ep50: Mohamed El-Erian on how AI is changing investing
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43:13In this episode of FI15, Joe is joined by Mohamed El-Erian, President of Queens' College, University of Cambridge and Sudeep Kesh, Chief Innovation Officer at S&P Global Ratings. Topics discussed included the potential impact of AI on investing and portfolio management, how Mohamed incorporates data into his views, Sudeep on AI in movies and music …
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Ep49: SKKY Partners Jay Sammons on Private Equity & Working With Kim Kardashian
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25:31In this episode of FI15, Joe is joined by Jay Sammons, Co-Founder of SKKY Partners and Raam Ratnam, Managing Director at S&P Global Ratings. Topics included SKKY Partners investment process, Jay’s experience founding the company with Kim Kardashian, staying on top of consumer culture and Raam’s takeaways from his career as an accountant.…
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Ep48: T Rowe Price CIO Sebastien Page on Mega Trends, Leadership & Building a Linkedin Following
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38:20In this episode of FI15, Joe is joined by Sebastien Page, Chief Investment Officer at T Rowe Price and Alexandra Dimitrijevic, Global Head of Analytical Research & Development at S&P Global Ratings. Topics included both guests views on global mega trends, the future glide path of interest rates and inflation, Sebastien’s experience building a 40,00…
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Ep47: BlackRock's James Keenan on Navigating the Private Markets Landscape
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28:43In this episode of FI15, Joe is joined by Blackrock’s Global Head of Private Debt James Keenan and Ruth Yang, Global Head of Thought Leadership at S&P Global Ratings. Topics included the rise in popularity of private markets, how both Blackrock and S&P Global Ratings approach the space, Jim’s unpopular investment opinion and people inside and outsi…
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Ep46: Ryan Serhant on Real Estate, AI and Building A Personal Brand
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45:47In this episode of FI15, Joe is joined by Real Estate mogul Ryan Serhant, Founder of SERHANT. and Gregg Lemos-Stein, Chief Analytical Officer – Corporates at S&P Global Ratings. The guests discuss the global real estate market, with Ryan sharing his expertise on leveraging social media and AI to drive success in the industry, and Gregg provides his…
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Ep45: State Street Global Advisors CIO Lori Heinel on Global Investment Trends and Future Risks
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27:03In this FI15 podcast episode hear Lori Heinel, Global CIO at State Street Global Advisors, and Yann Le Pallec, Global Head of Rating Services at S&P Global Ratings, discuss key global economic trends and investment strategies with host Joe Cass. Topics include client engagement, investment opportunities, ESG considerations, public speaking tips, pe…
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Ep44: Wei Li on Blackrock's 2024 Outlook, AI Revolution and Global Trends
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32:27Embrace the future of finance and dive into an insightful discussion with Wei Li, Global Chief Investment Strategist at Blackrock, and Martina Cheung, President at S&P Global Ratings. Together, they dissect the 2024 market landscape, offering expert perspectives on emerging trends, AI integration, and leadership insights.…
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Ep43: Robert F. Smith on How to Build A Culture of Success
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37:11Robert F. Smith, Chairman and Founder of Vista Equity Partners, joined Doug Peterson, CEO at S&P Global and host Joe Cass on this episode of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on how to build a culture of success in business, the evolution of GenAI, the growth of private markets and the guests experience of growing up in New Mexico and Colorado…
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Ep42: Andrew Howard on Sustainable Finance, Green Bonds and Career Paths
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31:44Andrew Howard, Global Head of Sustainable Investment at Schroders and Christa Clapp, Managing Director at S&P Global Rating join host Joe Cass on this episode of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on sustainable finance, the climate financing gap, Christa’s experience building Shades of Green and the future of green bonds. Sign-up here to be no…
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Ep41: Larry Summers on Inflation, Surviving Cancer & The Social Network
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37:19Ex-U.S. Treasury Secretary Larry Summers and S&P Global Ratings' Global Chief Economist Paul Gruenwald join host Joe Cass on this episode of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion spans the rise and fall of inflation, working with U.S. Presidents, how to create an economic narrative and Larry’s experience being diagnosed with and surviving cancer.…
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Ep40: Rohit Sipahimalani on Private Credit, Generative AI and The Rise of India
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30:50Rohit Sipahimalani, CIO at Temasek and Martina Cheung, President of S&P Global Ratings join host Joe Cass on this episode of Fixed Income in 15. The discussion centred around disruptive investment areas, macro outlooks, private credit, the impact of Generative AI and the rise of India.By S&P Global Ratings
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Ep39: Dan Yergin on Energy Security, Being An Entrepreneur, Advising U.S Presidents & His New Book
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31:48Daniel Yergin, Vice Chairman at S&P Global, Pulitzer-Prize winning author and founder of CERA, joins host Joe Cass on this special 1-on-1 episode of Fixed Income in 15. Topics included Dan’s newest book ‘The New Map’, challenges of the energy transition, founding Cambridge Energy Research Associates in 1983 and his experiences advising multiple U.S…
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Ep38: Mary Pryshlak on Generative AI in Credit Research, & How To Manage 130 Investment Professional
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42:48Mary Pryshlak, Head of Investment Research at Wellington Management, joined Alexandra Dimitrijevic, Global Head of Research & Development at S&P Global Ratings and host Joe Cass on this episode of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on the potential role of Generative AI in credit research, leadership experiences from Alexandra and Mary and book…
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Ep37: Saira Mailk on Breaking into Finance, The Next Big Risks & Educating Children
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26:54Saira Mailk, CIO of Nuveen joins Ruth Yang, Global Head of Thought Leadership at S&P Global Ratings and host Joe Cass on this episode of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on Saira’s experience breaking into finance, the next big risks for investors, Ruth’s leadership experience and Saira and Ruth’s strategies when educating their children on f…
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Ep36: David Rubenstein on Private Markets, Investment Regrets, Interviewing Elon Musk & His New Book
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34:20David Rubenstein, Co-Founder of The Carlyle Group joins Adam Kansler, President at S&P Global Market Intelligence and host Joe Cass on this episode of Fixed Income in 15. Topics included private market valuations and data, interest rate trajectories, David’s new book “How To Invest”, biggest investing regrets and anecdotes from David’s investing ca…
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Ep 35: Emmanuel Roman on Investing in 2023, Private Markets, PIMCO Culture & Arsenal FC
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43:05PIMCO CEO Emmanuel Roman and Martina Cheung, President of S&P Global Ratings, joined Joe Cass on this episode of the FI15 podcast. Discussion spanned investing in 2023, private debt, working culture at PIMCO after Bill Gross, Davos, ChatGPT and Arsenal FC.
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Ep34: Liz Ann Sonders on the 2023 Macro Outlook, Her 300,000 Twitter Followers & Inflation
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31:01Liz Ann Sonders, Chief Investment Strategist at Charles Schwab joins Paul Gruenwald, Global Chief Economist at S&P Global Ratings and host Joe Cass on this episode of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on the 2023 macro outlook, US rate cycle, sticky inflation, Liz Ann’s Twitter 300,000 Twitter following and Paul’s cycling over lockdown.…
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Ep33: Peter Harrison on Being a CEO, Career Advice & Meeting The Queen
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29:13Peter Harrison, CEO of Schroders joins Dan Draper, CEO at S&P Dow Jones Indices and host Joe Cass on this episode of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on Peter & Dan’s experiences working across the globe for different institutions, the day-to-day realities of being a CEO and, private markets, blockchain and Peter’s experience meeting The Quee…
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Ep32: David Hunt on The Future of Asset Management, Strategy & Growing AUM
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30:17David Hunt, CEO of PGIM joins Maria Melendez, Global Head of Strategy at S&P Global Ratings and host Joe Cass on this episode of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on David’s experience as a CEO, his current take on the global macro environment, Maria’s career path and her view on how to successfully execute strategy in our day-to-day roles.…
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Ep31: Chamath Palihapitiya on Investing, Mental Health, Poker & SPACs
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42:58Chamath Palihapitiya, global tech investor and Founder of Social Capital and Naveen Sarma, Senior Director at S&P Global Ratings covering U.S Media & Entertainment joined Joe Cass on this episode of the podcast. Discussion spanned investment philosophy, how playing poker can assist prospective investors, the future of streaming and the importance o…
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Ep30: Joyce Chang on Market Themes, Defi and Working with Jamie Dimon
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44:59Joyce Chang, Chair of Global Research at JP Morgan joins Alexandra Dimitrijevic, Global Head of Research & Development at S&P Global Ratings and host Joe Cass on this episode of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused key themes that may affect financial markets in 2022-23, the evolution of ESG when thinking about an energy crisis, the impact of DeF…
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Ep29: Howard Marks on Warren Buffett, Writing Memos, Investing Psychology & Crypto
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38:39Legendary investor Howard Marks, Co-Founder of Oaktree Capital Management, joins Sally Moore, Global Head of Strategy, M&A and Partnerships for S&P Global and host Joe Cass on this episode of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on Howard’s relationship with Warren Buffett, Sally’s experience of the recent $140 Billion S&P Global-IHS merger, Howa…
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Ep28: Goldman Sachs AM CIO Ashish Shah on Private Debt, Social Media, Inflation & Growing Up
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28:12Ashish Shah, Chief Investment Officer at Goldman Sachs Asset Management joins Ruth Yang, Global Head of Thought Leadership at S&P Global Ratings and host Joe Cass on this episode of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on the future of private debt markets, GSAM’s view of financing fossil fuel companies, using social media as a communication tool…
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Ep27: Rick Rieder - Blackrock CIO on Crypto, Inflation, Twitter & Parenting Advice
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36:10Rick Rieder, Chief Investment Officer of Global Fixed Income at Blackrock joins Yann Le Pallec, Global Head of Ratings at S&P Global Ratings and host Joe Cass on this episode of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on Rick’s take on the current volatile market conditions, how to approach inflation, Rick’s 30,000 Twitter followers, Yann’s professi…
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Ep26: Jared Isaacman on Inspiration4, Elon Musk, Leadership & Mars
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40:38Jared Isaacman, Founder of Shift4 and SpaceX Astronaut joins Chris Heusler, Chief Commercial Officer at S&P Global Ratings and host Joe Cass on this episode of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on Jared’s experience as a civilian astronaut, his relationship with Elon Musk, Chris’ career path, how to be a good leader and when both guests think …
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Ep25: Ray Dalio on Economic Cycles, Career Advice, Crypto & ESG
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1:04:31Ray Dalio, Co-Chairman and Co-CIO of Bridgewater Associates and Martina Cheung, President at S&P Global Ratings joined Joe Cass on this edition of Fixed Income in 15. In a wide ranging discussion, conversation touched on markets, Sustainable Finance, diversity in societies, Ray’s new book, life and work role models, Joe’s job at McDonalds and caree…
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Ep24: Talking ESG with PIMCO & S&P Sustainble1
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27:15Grover Burthey, Head of ESG Portfolio Management at PIMCO and Richard Mattison, President at S&P Global Sustainble1 joined Joe Cass on this edition of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on PIMCO’s priorities in the ESG investing space, growth of the S&P Global Sustainable1 division and the challenges ESG presents market stakeholders. There was …
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Ep23: Grayscale on institutional investor interest in crypto
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24:26Joe Cass hosted CEO of Grayscale Investments, Michael Sonnenshein and Senior Research Fellow at S&P Global Ratings Chuck Mounts on the latest episode of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on the emerging cryptocurrency markets, institutional investor involvement in the space and debate on how blockchain could fit into traditional finance struct…
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Ep22: ESG investing trends & experience of Davos with Fidelity
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23:02Nicole Connolly, Global Head of ESG at Fidelity Investments and Lauren Smart, Chief Commercial Officer S&P Global Sustainble1 joined Joe Cass on this edition of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on S&P Global’s new Sustainble1 division, ESG investing trends and how investors are increasingly playing a part in investment stewardship. There was …
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Ep21: Raoul Pal talks crypto, CBDC and living in the Cayman Islands
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31:03In a special Crypto episode of Fixed Income In 15, Joe Cass is joined by Raoul Pal, Co-founder and CEO of Real Vision and Mohamed Damak, Senior Director at S&P Global Ratings. There was lively debate between Raoul and Mohamed on the emerging role of cryptocurrency and Central Bank Digital Currencies in traditional finance, including the importance …
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Ep20: Blockchain, cryptocurrency and Meme stocks with UBS CIO
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29:03Mark Haefele, Chief Investment Officer at UBS and Alexandra Dimitrijevic, Global Head of Research at S&P Global Ratings joined Joe Cass on this edition of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on the evolution of ESG over the past 18 months, long term credit outlook and views on the digitalization of finance including blockchain and cryptocurrency…
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Ep19: Sir Danny Alexander on the role of ESG in infrastructure
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19:40On this edition of Fixed Income in 15, Joe Cass is joined by Sir Danny Alexander, Vice President and Corporate Secretary at the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank and Susan Gray, our Global Head of Sustainable Finance Business and Innovation. Topics included the evolution of sustainable finance in infrastructure and platforms issuers are using to…
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Ep18: Tom Keene on U.S debt build up and why he wears a bow tie
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23:38Tom Keene, co-anchor at Bloomberg and Beth-Ann Bovino, U.S. Chief Economist at S&P Global Ratings joined Joe Cass on this edition of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused the build up of U.S debt, potential interest rate changes and the U.S economic outlook. There was also time to talk about the European Super League and the rise of smart casual w…
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Ep17: Mohamed El-Erian on ESG, Central Banks & working for President Obama
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23:34On the latest episode of Fixed Income In 15, Joe Cass is joined by Mohamed El-Erian, Chief Economic Advisor at Allianz and Martina Cheung, President of S&P Global Market Intelligence. There was lively conversation about ESG, Central Banks and the future of #markets in a post-pandemic world. There was also time to discuss personal insights, such as …
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Ep16: The outlook for global sovereigns and Bitcoin with Morgan Stanley
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23:36In this edition of Fixed Income in 15, Joe Cass is joined by Ruchir Sharma, Chief Global Strategist at Morgan Stanley Investment Management and our own Global Head of Sovereign Analytics & Research, Roberto Sifon. The discussion focused on the outlook for global sovereigns, the impact of ESG on nations and the rise of Bitcoin. There was also time f…
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Ep15: Impact of a COVID-19 vaccine with JP Morgan Asset Management
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16:29In this edition of Fixed Income in 15, Joe Cass is joined by David Kelly, Chief Global Strategist at JP Morgan Asset Management and our Global Head of Practices Craig Parmelee. The group discussed the 2021 outlook, how ESG is changing the global financial markets and the impact of a COVID-19 vaccine. As usual, some off-topic debate followed, includ…
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Ep14: Michael Milken on healthcare innovation and ESG investing
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28:16Michael Milken, founder of The Milken Institute and Yann Le Pallec, S&P Global Ratings Global Head of Credit Ratings, Methodologies and Research joined Joe Cass on this edition of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on the guests experiences of 2020, the progress of healthcare innovation and the role of ESG in a post-COVID world. There was also …
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Ep13: Special episode with David Rubenstein & S&P Global CEO Doug Peterson
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25:38On the latest episode of Fixed Income in 15, our host Joe Cass is joined by S&P Global’s President & CEO Doug Peterson and the Co-Founder of The Carlyle Group David Rubenstein. Doug and David discussed markets, diversity and the impact of ESG. In a wide ranging conversation, there was also time for Doug and David to ponder over the future of health…
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Ep12: Credit defaults and work culture with Dimensional Fund Advisors
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18:54On this episode of Fixed Income in 15, Joe Cass is joined by Gerard O’Reilly, co-CEO at Dimensional Fund Advisors and S&P Global Ratings Global Head of Research Alexandra Dimitrijevic. Discussion included a high level outlook for markets, credit default risks and the scale of rating downgrades thus far in 2020. There was also time for Alexandra and…
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What Bausch RemainCo’s Credit Quality Post-Spinoff Could Look Like
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7:06In this episode, Ji Liu, primary analyst for Bausch Health, discusses a number of investor questions after Bausch announced its intention to spin off its eye health business unit, specifically regarding its capital structure, key business strengths, key business weaknesses, and other concerns.By S&P Global Ratings
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Ep11: US-China relationship special with Invesco
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13:45Kristina Hooper, Chief Market Strategist at Invesco and Shaun Roache, S&P Global Ratings Chief Economist for APAC joined Joe Cass on this edition of Fixed Income in 15. Discussion focused on ESG in fixed income, the relationship between the US and China and how Asia-Pacific as a region has reacted to the Coronavirus pandemic. There was also time to…
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Ep10: Credit outlook and movie cameos with Anthony Scaramucci
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17:57On this edition of Fixed Income in 15, Joe Cass is joined by Anthony Scaramucci, Founder at Skybridge and our Global Chief Economist Paul Gruenwald. The three discussed credit markets, economic recovery and the global financial outlook. As always, there was some off-topic debate too – here Anthony describes how the ‘Wall Street’ movie impacted him …
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Ep9: COVID market experiences with DoubleLine Deputy CIO
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17:55“It was one of the worst markets we’ve ever seen” - Deputy CIO at DoubleLine Jeffrey Sherman joined Joe Cass and Sudeep Kesh on Fixed Income in 15 to discuss Central Bank actions, Jeffrey's experience working as number 2 to Jeffery Gundlach and the Hollywood movie ‘Moneyball’.
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