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Unrefined Podcast .com

Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters & BT Wallace

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What’s beyond the veil? The nature of this world we live in is unrefined. Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN. In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way. Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.
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Upside Down Podcast

Kayla Craig, Lindsy Wallace, Patricia Taylor, Alissa Molina

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Upside Down Podcast is an ecumenical podcast at the intersection of justice, spirituality, and culture. Join us for conversations about God's Upside Down Kingdom. No topic is off limits. Upside Down Podcast is a collaborative Christian podcast co-founded by Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace. Some of our most popular guests have included Christena Cleveland, Dr. John Perkins, Shane Claiborne, Jo Saxton, Father Greg Boyle, Shannan Martin, and Dominique Gilliard. Popular episodes have featured the ...
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Ever wondered what it’s like to see beyond the physical realm? In this eye-opening episode we dive into the mysterious world of seers—those gifted with the ability to perceive the spiritual realm. Featuring Doug Overmyer, author of Seers See, the discussion unravels real-life accounts of spiritual encounters, offers biblical insights on the seer gi…
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In this episode of Unrefined Podcast, Brandon, Lindsy, and BT sit down with Dr. Robin Braun, author of Living Like a Son and a pioneer in holistic healing and quantum faith. Together, they explore the transformative power of shifting from a slave mentality to a son mentality, healing the father wound, and breaking free from religious programming. D…
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The team dives deep into the eerie mysteries surrounding Death Valley. From the restless spirit of rock star Gram Parsons haunting Joshua Tree to the strange disappearance of a German family in the unforgiving desert, each story reveals layers of intrigue and speculation. Adding to the mystery is the elusive Yucca Man, a Bigfoot-like creature repor…
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In this episode Brandon and guest co-host Matt McGuire explore the intriguing topic of Requiem Healing with guests Michael Mitton and Russ Parker. They discuss the spiritual practice of praying for the dead and how it can bring healing to both the living and those who have passed. Russ shares compelling stories of healing through this practice, inc…
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Hosts explore the eerie and fascinating world of little people with guest Nick Rico, who shares his supernatural experiences from Chile to Wisconsin. Nick discusses his encounters with various races of little people, delving into their cultural significance, spiritual connections, and how they interact with humans. He also touches on related phenom…
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In this episode, hosts Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters, and BT Wallace engage with cryptid researcher Marcus Ellis. They explore the fascinating world of cryptids, including Bigfoot and Dogman, and delve into the supernatural connections that may exist between these creatures and biblical references such as the Nephilim. The conversation highlights th…
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Brandon Spain and co-host Lindsy Waters welcome Jonathan Brenneman to discuss his book, The Mechanics of Miracles. They discuss the spiritual dynamics that govern how God's power is released. They emphasize the importance of practice in spiritual gifts, the role of persistence in prayer, and the need for a heart aligned with God's will. The convers…
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In this deep dive episode, the team explores the darker side of celebrity culture, focusing on three iconic figures. The hosts break down the cult-like followings that surround these celebrities and analyze the characteristics that define this phenomenon. From occult symbolism, loyalty, charismatic leadership, to insider language and manipulation, …
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In this episode, hosts emphasize addressing belief systems causing confusion in the Christian community without demonizing individuals. Kathryn Dockins shares her journey through and out of the Hebrew Roots movement, highlighting the emotional and doctrinal challenges she faced. Hosts contribute insights on cult-like behaviors and the importance of…
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Hosts Brandon Spain & Lindsy Waters converse with Neil Cole, a seasoned church planter and author, about his book PRIMAL FIRE. They delve into the fivefold ministry gifts from Ephesians 4—apostles, prophets, evangelists, shepherds, and teachers. Neal shares his transition from traditional pastoral roles to organic church planting, emphasizing disci…
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In this episode we sit down with Dr. Natalie Atwell, a mental health pro, to talk all about the messy but important intersection of mental health and spirituality. Brandon gets real about his own struggles and some of the hurdles the church has when it comes to these issues. Dr. Atwell brings some serious wisdom, highlighting the need to recognize …
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This is the 💥MUST LISTEN💥 episode, as hosts Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters and BT Wallace, with guest Vicki Joy Anderson discuss the Christian life, focusing on perseverance, self-discipline, and preparation for future challenges. Vicki Joy emphasizes that resilience is built through small, everyday choices, such as maintaining daily routines and pra…
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In this episode of "Keeping It Grounded" your host BT calls for Christians to dedicate an hour daily to prayer and reflection, emphasizing the importance of returning to God for peace in personal and societal contexts. The episode addresses the challenges of post-modernism, which seeks spirituality without sacrifice or the cross. The host argues th…
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Hosts Brandon, Lindsy and BT delve into the mysterious disappearance of Kenny Veach, an experienced hiker who vanished in the Mojave Desert in 2014. Brandon introduces the case containing the eerie M Cave while emphasizing the importance of evidence. Lindsy recaps Kenny's story, highlighting his discovery of the strange cave and weird messages rece…
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In this episode hosts invite guest Carey Griffel from Genesis Marks The Spot to dive into some fascinating theological topics like "old earth" and the "pre-Adamic race." They explore different ways to interpret biblical texts, especially Genesis, and what these interpretations mean for our understanding of humanity, sin, and the image of God. Carey…
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In this episode hosts engage with guest Patrick Meechan, an author and deliverance minister, about his experiences with hauntings and spiritual warfare as well as sharing first hand knowledge dealing with the darker aspects of the Amish community and the presence of folk magic. Patrick discusses his books, "Nightmare in Holmes County" and "220 5th …
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Get ready for a chat between your unrefined hosts and Steve Dabbs, a retired military chaplain and author of "When Demons Surface," about the topic of spiritual warfare. Steve opens up about his personal journey and experiences with demonic influences, stressing the importance of understanding spiritual battles. They tackle common misconceptions, l…
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In this episode your hosts delve into the paranormal and afterlife with guest Matt Arnold, editor of the Christian Parapsychologist Journal and author of "The Invisible Dimension: Spirit Beings, Ghosts, and the Afterlife." Matt shares his journey from childhood fascination with ghosts to his work as a Christian minister. He explores biblical perspe…
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In this episode co-hosts Brandon and Lindsy, along with guest Lee Wood, delve into the principles of making disciples and church planting movements. Lee shares his personal testimony, including his redemption through faith after being homeless and joining the military. The discussion emphasizes simplicity, relational honesty, and the balance betwee…
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In this episode of the Unrefined Podcast, hosts interview Nancy Bowser, a survivor of programming as a child at Lookout Mountain Air Force Station and Laboratory. Nancy recounts her harrowing experiences with Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA) and MKUltra, detailing her programming by her 33rd degree Freemason uncle and the traumatic training she endured. …
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In this episode Dr. Merrill G Greene discusses his book "The Weirdness of God" and his journey from a conservative Baptist background to exploring altered states of consciousness in the Bible and contemporary charismatic Christianity. Hosts Brandon and Lindsy engage with Dr. Greene on topics such as the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, and the phenomenon …
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Yep! We made it to 100 episodes! Celebrate with us by taking a screen shot of the episode on your phone AND giving us a shout out on social media and tag @branspain @unrefinedpodcast in your reel/ post/ stories!!! We will give you a shout out back! We want to connect with you guys! Join us in this episode where the crew delves into the intriguing t…
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In this episode, Brandon, Lindsy, and BT delve into the mysterious story of Mel's Hole, a seemingly bottomless pit featured on Coast to Coast with Art Bell. They explore its potential supernatural or interdimensional nature and recount Mel Waters' strange experiences, including military encounters and bizarre experiments. The discussion covers inte…
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In this episode, Brandon and Lindsy sit down with award-winning movie producer David Heavener for a fascinating chat about Hollywood and the world of Christian filmmaking. David opens up about his concerns regarding negative influences creeping into Christian films, which he feels are leading to compromised values and a bigger focus on making money…
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In this episode, the hosts Brandon and Lindsy interview Tobe Johnson, author of "The Owl Moon Lab," about his unique perspective on Sasquatch and the supernatural. They explore philosophical and cosmological aspects of Bigfoot, including encounters with strange lights and the psychological effects of these experiences. Tobe shares insights into Big…
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We welcome Dr. Matthew Halsted to discuss his book "It's the End of the World As You Know It." Dr. Halsted shares his philosophical influences, particularly Hans-Georg Gadamer, and critiques popular prophecy interpretations. He explores biblical prophecy beyond mere future predictions, emphasizing context and the role of Jesus. Addressing his book'…
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Join Brandon and Lindsy as they chat with Doug Levy, an author and pastor, to discuss apostolic ministry and the fivefold gifts within the church. They explore the roles of apostles in laying foundations, the significance of servant leadership, and the importance of integrity and accountability. Emphasizing the need for all five gifts—apostolic, pr…
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Get READY! Lindsy and I are joined by guest MK Davis to explore a series of unexplained events and the supernatural. We delve into the Dyatlov Pass incident, a mysterious occurrence in 1939 involving the Russian army in Finland, and the Yuba Five disappearance in California. We talk about Mississippi connections and tornadoes seemingly attracted to…
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In this podcast episode, biblical studies scholar Matthew McGuire discusses his book "A Magical World: How the Bible Makes Sense of the Supernatural," exploring the intersection of the supernatural, ESP, and Christian beliefs. The hosts, including Brandon, BT, and Lindsy, engage in a deep conversation about spiritual laws, the latent power of the h…
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In this podcast episode, the hosts delve into the enigmatic history of Laurel Canyon, particularly its decline post-Wonderland murders. They explore ley lines, Native American influences, and the area's unique energy. The discussion spans the ritual importance of sacred site orientations across various religions and the cultural impact of burial cu…
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In this podcast episode, Jonathan Brenneman, a missionary in Brazil, shares his spiritual journey from facing childhood spiritual oppression to a transformative healing experience that solidified his faith in God. He discusses his calling as a missionary, his theological struggles, and a pivotal conference that reshaped his understanding of healing…
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In this podcast episode, we explore the deeper sinister forces connections of Laurel Canyon including Charles Manson's life and the infamous Manson family murders. NOTE: This discussion may not be for everyone and we have rated it as *explicit content* Listener discretion is advised. Timestamps: Manson's Influence in California (00:02:32) Time in P…
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In this podcast episode,Brandon, Lindsy and Doug (Van Dorn) delve into interpreting the Bible with a supernatural lens, emphasizing the need to understand the original context and author's intent. They discuss the historical grammatical method, the duality of scripture, and the centrality of Christ in biblical interpretation. The conversation also …
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In this second episode of "Haunted Canyon," hosts Brandon and Lindsey, along with BT Wallace of Truth & Shadow Podcast, dive into the enigmatic history of Laurel Canyon, Los Angeles. They explore its influential music scene and potential ties to the CIA and military intelligence, discussing how certain musicians may have been covertly propelled to …
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In this podcast episode, hosts Brandon and Lindsy, along with guests April and Sandy, explore the concept of God's intimate care in life's details. They discuss the gospel's good news, emphasizing God's presence in everyday moments and His desire for a personal relationship with His people. Personal stories illustrate God's involvement in even the …
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In this first episode of a series on Haunted Canyon, hosts Brandon, Lindsy, and returning guest host BT, from Truth and Shadow Podcast, delve into the mysterious history of Laurel Canyon, discussing its ties to occultism, government operations, and true crime. The episode also covers Hollywood's early days, the emergence of cults, and the infamous …
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In this impactful episode, Trey Donaldson, a youth pastor, shares his miraculous transformative personal journey and testimony. He discusses his strict religious upbringing, his rebellion and struggles with drugs and alcohol, and his eventual spiritual awakening in jail. Trey's path to healing and restoration includes a shift in theological perspec…
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Listen in as we chat with Amy @eyesontheright about eschatological themes, drawing parallels between modern societal trends and the "days of Noah." We discuss the rapid increase in knowledge, the dangers of occult practices, and the manipulation of DNA and seeds, relating these to biblical prophecies about the end times. Topics include the blending…
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In this episode, we get to have a conversation with Dr. Craig Keener, a scholar with a Ph.D. from Duke University, and discuss miracles and continuationism. He emphasizes the biblical basis for the continuation of spiritual gifts, referencing Acts chapter two and the age between Jesus' first and second coming. Dr. Keener shares personal experiences…
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In this episode, hosts Brandon and Lindsy engage with Dr. Rob Reimer, discussing his spiritual journey, the tenderness of Jesus, and the sovereignty of God. Dr. Reimer shares his personal testimony, his insights on spiritual renewal, and addresses the problem of evil. He emphasizes the importance of authentic humility and soul care, and the transfo…
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In this podcast episode, Brandon, Lindsy and Vicki Joy delve into the divine counsel worldview and its influence on Christian life, particularly in spiritual warfare. They discuss the proactive use of Jesus' name in overcoming challenges like sleep paralysis and the importance of understanding believers' authority. The conversation also covers the …
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In this podcast episode, Brandon and BT engage with guest Doug Van Dorn to delve into the Divine Council Worldview. Doug, a pastor and theologian, shares his expertise on the assembly of heavenly beings that govern the cosmos, drawing from biblical passages and theological writings. They discuss the roles of these beings, the fall of some, and the …
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In this podcast episode, Brandon explores the parable of the sower, emphasizing the importance of preparing our hearts like soil for spiritual growth. He draws parallels between soul care and gardening, advocating for practices like fasting and prayer to nurture the word's growth within us. Brandon also speaks on the power of words, urging listener…
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In this episode, Janice Callahan recounts her transformative near-death experience and its profound impact on her life. Despite a rough childhood and a dangerous lifestyle, including methamphetamine use, Janice's encounter with God’s presence during a life-threatening event led her to a spiritual awakening. She discusses her struggle with instituti…
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What is Leviathan? This episode is a deep dive into the concept of Leviathan, exploring its historical and cultural significance, and its portrayal in various scriptures and mythologies. We discuss Leviathan's symbolism in relation to chaos, spiritual warfare, and its depiction as a monstrous sea serpent. The conversation extends to the broader the…
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In this podcast episode, April Snook, host of "How to Do Life with God," discusses the significance of discerning and hearing God's voice in everyday life. She shares personal stories, including a financial struggle where she experienced God's provision, and emphasizes the importance of obedience, righteousness, and the partnership with God in spir…
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Our amazing friend and fellow podcaster Brandon (BT) Wallace, a writer with a background in the occult, shares his personal journey from Wicca, Hermeticism, and Primal Witchcraft to Christianity. He discusses his research into esoteric figures like Aleister Crowley and practices such as scrying and communicating with angelic beings. We delve into t…
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Unrefined hosts Brandon and Lindsy are joined by guest host BT as they interview MK Davis. They explore the mysteries of the Lovelock Cave, red-haired giants, and Nephilim. MK discusses his research, including the legends of the Paiutes' battles with cannibalistic giants, the significance of Sarah Winnemucca, and the migration of the Natchez people…
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In this amazing episode, we've got hosts Brandon and Lindsy hanging out with the one and only Doug Van Dorn. They're diving into Doug's super cool new podcast "Giant Steps" and his book "The Creeds". Get ready to explore the fascinating world of creeds in Christianity! These three amigos cover a bunch of interesting topics, like the historical root…
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