Send us a text support the podcast check out the PATREON Robert Callahan II is back and discussing the book Fire In The Whole. I enjoyed our conversation last time and am so honored he has returned. In this episode, we dive into his book, released two weeks ago. I encourage people to pick up a copy. Robert and I discuss racism, microaggressions, mi…

Send us a text Please Support the show- check out the PATREON Please support our guest Dave by checking out his BLOG Please welcome back Dave, who played Jimmy Barclay on Adventures in Odyssey. Dave is a profound writer please check out his blog at This is the end of the four-part series. I have learned so much about my friend Dave. This was an hon…

Send us a text Support this podcast check out the PATREON You may be asking, why do we need a part three? My friend Dave who acted the character Jimmy Barclay on Focus on the Family's Adventure's In Odyssey has a lot to say. One of the very few children who grew up amongst the Christian Nationalist organization and propaganda machine to blow the wh…

Send us a text Support the podcast join the PATREON In this episode Dave and I discuss very sensitive information. Elements of self harm are self hate are brought up. Please listen with caution. Dave and I discuss the ALOHA episode of Adventures in Odyssey. For those that want to be on the podcast make sure to reach out—link in the show notes. Pre-…

Send us a text To support the podcast please check out the PATREON This guest played Jimmy Barclay on Adventures in Odyssey. Please welcome Dave. It is truly an honor to have Dave on this show. We have become friends over the past year, and I am so thankful he is sharing his time and story with us all. Adventure in Odyssey is a children’s radio pro…

Send us a text Support the podcast check out the PATREON I am excited and honored to have my friend, author D.L. Mayfield, on the podcast today. D.L. spent many years in Christian publishing before escaping the evangelical movement, deconstructing, coming out, and becoming an atheist. D.L. and I share a creative space on social media and a great di…

Send us a text Support the podcast join the PATREON Please Welcome Dr Jamie (they/them)! I am so thankful they are here today. Dr Jamie socializes in Dissociative Identity Disorder and is the author of TEN books. Their knowledge on DID specifically stemming from high control regions is vast, please enjoy this discussion on their upcoming book "You …

Send us a text Support the podcast check out the PATREON Joanna Whaley has been a guest on the pod previously, she and I get together for this bonus episode. Carl Lentz and Laura Lentz launched a podcast about his side. Joanna and I are former mega church leaders who break down his language nuances. Check out Joanna's socials. For those that want t…

Send us a text Support the podcast, check out the PATREON Pastor Paul is back for a part two. In this second half we discuss how important it is to discover love of self inside relationships. The church teaches that in order to be loved by God we need to completely die to ourselves. Paul and I talk about how the church uses this to control and mani…

Send us a text Please support this podcast by checking out the PATREON This was recorded the day before the Trump verdict was read- Earlier this season I had Pastor Paul on, I knew I wanted to have them back on for Pride month. During this podcast I deviated from the normal format and let the conversation go where it wanted to go. Paul and I discus…

Send us a text Support this podcast check out the PATREON Please welcome my friend Noah (He/him/they/them). Noah is a transgender male and his story is about mending himself. Raised inside fundamentalist evangelicalism and under the strict parenting styles of James Dobson, Noah is reparenting himself through learning how to love himself. Join Noah …

Send us a text Support the podcast by checking out the PATREON Today I have the honor of interviewing Jason Kirk. Jason is a NYT sports editor and he took time in-between the draft to have this conversation. Aside from Jason's job at the NYT, he and his wife co-host the VBS podcast, and he authored "Hell is a world without you." This book is about …

Send us a text Support the podcast- Join the Patreon Cait West and I had an opportunity to sit down and discuss her upcoming book "Rift" A memoir of breaking away from Christian Patriarchy. Cait West demonstrates why it is so important for survivors to both tell their stories and connect with others who survived the evangelical movement. Here are C…

Send us a text Support the podcast check out the patreon I had the privilege of sitting down and talking with Sarah McCammon, New York Times best-selling author of "The Evangelicals". Sarah and I discuss the book and some similarities from growing up evangelical. Sarah is a national political correspondent for NPR, this was truly an honor to spend …

Send us a text Support the podcast - join the PATREON Please welcome back Lindsey Williams! Lindsey is a survivor of the Institute of Basic Life Principals (IBLP) Bill Gothard's Cult. She was featured on Shiny Happy People- a documentary about the Duggar cult. Lindsey and I sit down to discuss Shannon Harris's book "The Woman They Wanted." This boo…

Send us a text please support the podcast by joining the PATREON Joanna Whaley is back for part two. If you have not listened to part one, I highly encourage you to do so. We are talking about decolonizing binary thinking. Please Follow Joanna on Socials CONNECT WITH JOANNA For those that want to be on the podcast make sure to reach out—link in the…

Send us a text Support the podcast and subscribe to the PATREON Please Join me in welcoming back Joanna Whaley! Joanna is an incredible trans woman and all around badass who has become a close friend. I am so thankful to have her back to have this conversation about patriarchy and how she once benefitted from that privilege. She discusses how she d…

Send us a text To support the podcast please Join the PATRON Robert Callahan is an author, lawyer, and content creator. Raised inside evangelicalism and the military he shares his unique perspective on parenting, church, and society. Robert and I have a conversation about his upcoming book "Fire In The Whole" which I am so excited about. In this ep…

Send us a text Interested in supporting this podcast? Please check out the PATREON Paul is on the podcast today. I have been looking forward to this interview for a while. During the pandemic, I discovered the "Evangelicalish" podcast. I spent so much of my day walking because life felt so small during that time. Paul, April, and Jeremey were peopl…

Send us a text Support the podcast-Join the PATREON Davida Haygood and I sit down and talk about how James Dobson impacted her life growing up inside black evangelicalism. Davida discusses how Christianity is deeply rooted in racism. Davida shares how deconstructing helped reshape and reconstruct her faith. It was an honor to listen to her. I looke…

Send us a text Support the podcast by checking out the PATREON Abel is known on TIKTOK for his social justice and anti-racism videos. His videos are educational and incredibly thought-provoking. is back for the second part of our discussion. We cover a variety of difficult topics through a laid-back conversation. Abel grew up in Alaska, he spent hi…

Send us a text Support the podcast Join the PATREON On Mondays I bring in different conversations, sometimes it is a breakdown of the previous episode and sometimes I bring in guests. Sam is back for an important conversation about racism. Sam has become a good friend and I respect and honor him for his boldness and courage. Please follow Sam on hi…

Send us a text Support the podcast by joining the Patreon I feel so honored to have Abel on this podcast. Abel is known on social media as "Poetic Deconstruction." In this episode, Abel talks about his upbringing in Anchorage Alaska's charismatic church. Abel and I briefly discuss how purity culture impacted him and his love for music and boxing. P…

Send us a text Support the podcast by joining the Patreon Please join me in welcoming back Rev Karla. I am so thankful that I had the opportunity to sit down with her again. Rev Karla is an interfaith minister, healer, teacher, mother, auntie, friend, advocate, and fierce fighter for social justice. She generously shares her wisdom daily on her soc…

Send us a text Support the podcast by joining the Patreon Chad, Lindsey, and I talk about how ridiculous Covenant Eyes is. This company has hit a new low. Enjoy the show and please follow Chad and Lindsey LINDSEY SOCIALS CHAD SOCIALS COVENANT EYES AD For those that want to be on the podcast make sure to reach out—link in the show notes. Pre-roll mu…

Send us a text Please support the podcast-check out the PATREON Dave Capozzi is a podcast host, teacher, and former evangelical pastor. I met Dave a little over one year ago when I was a guest on his podcast. In this episode, Dave and I discuss the shame that was distilled in all of us who grew up with purity culture and the Dobson messaging of tru…

Send us a text Support the podcast! Subscribe to the PATREON This is the final episode of season one. This has been an incredible first season, I am only taking a few weeks off. I will be back the second week of January with season 2. On today's podcast I am sharing a bit of my life with you all. I have already shared so much, but there are bits an…

Send us a text Support the podcast-Join the PATREON Davida Haygood and I sit down and talk about how James Dobson impacted her life growing up inside black evangelicalism. Davida discusses how Christianity is deeply rooted in racism. Davida shares how deconstructing helped reshape and reconstruct her faith. It was an honor to listen to her. I looke…

Send us a text Please support the Podcast-Join the Patreon Chad Harris is someone you might recognize. He is from the Amazon Prime documentary "Shiny Happy People." Chad talks about his early childhood which he was named "The Strong Willed Child" and then he talks about how he was immersed in the IBLP/ATI world. Chad and I have a lot of crossover i…

Send us a text Support the podcast check out the PATREON Join Rev Karla and I as we dive into decolonizing parenting and patriarchy post-leaving fundamentalist evangelicalism. Rev Karla is a leader, minister, and teacher. As an advocate for human rights, Rev Karla consistently works to make sure the voices of the queer, trans, and BIPOC communities…

Send us a text Support the podcast-Check out the PATREON Caleb or as many know him as "The Exvangelical Daddy" is my guest today. Caleb and I have known one another for about a year. Today, we discuss a little bit of everything as many do when they have been raised in the Dobsonian culture. Caleb was raised listening to Dobson's 6am radio show, and…

Send us a text Support the podcast Join the PATREON If you have not listened to the first part of Adam's story-please listen to that first so you can get caught up! In this episode, Adam discusses his journey which revealed to him the truth of conversion therapy and ultimately his escape. Adam and I talk about the challenges we all face as deconstr…

Send us a text Support the podcast-check out the PATREON and LEAVE A REVIEW! It is an honor to sit down with Adam for this two-part episode. Adam is a conversion therapy survivor. James Dobson advertised his conversion therapy "Love Won Out" at Aquire The Fire, an evangelical teen weekend-long convention. Love Won Out was part of Exodus Internation…

Send us a text SUPPORT THE PODCAST- JOIN THE PATREON She is back, the wonderful talented Lindsey Williams is back. Today, we are discussing “Counting the Cost” by Jill Duggar. Lindsey Williams grew up inside the Institute of Biblical Life Principals (IBLP) Bill Gothard Cult and was featured in the award-nominated documentary “Shiny Happy People.” T…

Send us a text Support the podcast- Subscribe to the PATREON Please welcome back Emily LMFT we talk about all things therapy, from the 5 stages of grief, red and green flags and practical tips you can do right now to ground yourself. BOOKS: Judith Herman Trauma and Recovery Marlene Winell Leaving the fold Emily Joy Alison #churchtoo Teresa Mateus- …

Send us a text Support the podcast by clicking on PATREON Please welcome Jennie with me. Jennie was raised in NW Arkansas. We talk about her upbringing from public school to Bill Gothard and the IBLP. Jennie talks about how hard she has fought to keep her family in her life. We talk about purity culture and the strange rules that were a part of our…

Send us a text Support the pod cast join the PATREON Emily Maynard joined me on the podcast today. I am so excited to have her on here. She is a LMFT out of California. Emily and I talk about purity culture, and the rise of Christian Nationalism. Please spend some time listening to this conversation. Emily's socials: website Instagram For those tha…

Send us a text Support the Show- Leave a stellar review and/or join the Patreon Please enjoy listening to my friend Scott. Scott and I met through TikTok, and I am so thankful we had the opportunity to sit down and record one of our conversations. Every time Scott and I talk deconstruction I walk away with more compassion and insight. In this episo…

Send us a text Support the podcast by subscribing to the PATREON PART 2 On today's podcast Lindsey Williams. Lindsey is a very talented Hair and Make up artist located in L.A. however.. You might all know her from the Amazon Prime Docu-series "Shiny Happy People." Lindsey and I discuss the parallels and crossover of Bill Gothard and James Dobson. W…

Send us a text Support the podcast by subscribing to the PATREON On today's podcast Lindsey Williams. Lindsey is a very talented Hair and Make up artist located in L.A. however.. You might all know her from the Amazon Prime Docu-series "Shiny Happy People." Lindsey and I discuss the parallels and crossover of Bill Gothard and James Dobson. We don't…

Send us a text Want to support the podcast? Here is my PATREON This is BJ, he is a doctor of Physical therapy in Colorado Springs... and yes we covered a lot of puns at the beginning and end of this pod. BJ brings a perspective that I find valid and important. in one part of the podcast he says something to the degree of "if I can come out of this …

Send us a text Support the podcast check out the PATREON Allow me to introduce Mal, he is "bible school black sheep" on TikTok. Mal and I talk a deep dive into purity culture, I listen to how purity culture created a life long impact on him. We talk about how we were not allowed to have feelings and how men were trained and taught to view women as …

Send us a text Support the PATREON Here is part 2 of Zachary Heath's story. In this episode we hear a little more in detail about his escape out of the fundamentalist evangelical movement. We also discuss more in detail his upbringing that was influenced by James Dobson, Focus on the Family. Zachary attended multiple Love Won Out conventions which …

Send us a text Support the show- PATREON Meet my friend Zachary Heath, we became instant friends a year ago. Zachary discusses conversion therapy, so as always this episode comes with a trigger warning. Zachary is someone that emulates compassion, bravery, and courage. I welcome you to listen to his experiences in conversion therapy and James Dobso…

Send us a text Support the show-Please visit my PATREON I am honored to sit down and have a conversation with Joanna Whaley, she is a three times conversion therapy survivor. I have mentioned before that conversion therapy is one of the worst abuses that James Dobson has personally had a hand in creating. Joanna is so gracious and talks about seeki…

Send us a text Support the Podcast Join the Patreon Jess is an in real life friend. We met a few years back when she was a pastor and I was still a worship leader we have been unraveling our evangelical upbringing together ever since. Jess was born and raised inside of the evangelical movement. along with many other girls that grew up with Dobson's…

Send us a text SUPPORT THIS PODCAST PATREON LINK The fundamentalist evangelical movement isn't the only space conversion therapy exists. I have Sam on the show today and he is a survivor of Mormon conversion therapy. Interestingly enough, in Mormon conversion therapy a lot of evangelical principals and faith tenants are part of the foundational too…

Send us a text Help support the show Here is the link to the Patreon Apologies for the audio in this show, we were having a hard time with recording. I felt Heather's message needed to get out and I did not want to wait for the audio to get fixed. Heather is an advocate for the queer and trans community. In this episode we talk about CSA and CA. pl…

Send us a text Support the show- PATREON link Thank you everyone for listening to this show today! Today I have the privaledge of interviewing my friends Candace and Kate. Candace is a strong willed child and grew up a pastors kid and missionary kid. She spent her upbringing steep in purity culture and and narcissistic abuse. Kate grew up in Appala…

Send us a text SUPPORT THE PODCAST PATREON Please join me in welcoming Topher back for part 2 of his story. In this episode we will dive into what Topher experienced when reporting the abuse he and his siblings endured at the hands of his father. During this episode we discuss the exchange of e-mails, I will link my website which has the emails. I …